|Package Name||1st Yr. Price||Reg. Price|
|Package Name||1st Yr. Price||Reg. Price|
|America's Top 120™||$34.99/month||$59.99/month|
|America's Top 120™ PLUS||$39.99/month||$64.99/month|
|America's Top 200™||$44.99/month||$74.99/month|
|America's Top 250™||$49.99/month||$79.99/month|
|America's "Everything"™ Pak||$96.99/month||$131.99/month|
DIRECTV is the oldest satellite TV company. DIRECTV has over 19 million subscribers, more than any other satellite industry.
Pros: Local channels are included in every package (DISH charges so their pricing comparison can be misleading). DIRECTV has the most sports in HD. DIRECTV has exclusive sports packages that include NFL SUNDAY TICKET™, and NASCAR HOTPASS™.. Bottom Line: If you're a sports nut, get DIRECTV!
DISH is the fastest growing satellite television provider with over 14 million subscribers.
Pros: First and foremost, DISH has cheaper plans. I think this accounts for the growth. Packages are pretty similar, but DISH offers a basic plan that is about $10/mo. cheaper than DIRECTV's cheapest plan. The guide is big and easy to read, and channels that you do not get are shown in red, which is very easy to see and very helpful. You can have 4 or 5 different favorite lists for different family members.
DiSH offers free HDTV for life to new customers. To get HD you will need an HD supported receiver. See information about equipment for fees on additional receivers. DIRECTV once offered Free HD to compete with DISH but has since dropped the promotion.
Add HD Access for $10.00 per month.
HD Access starting at $10.00 per month.
DIRECTV now offers Genie and GenieGo as their state of the art DVR service. With Genie you can:
Joeys only operate in conjunction with a Hopper, not available for individual sale
One Virtual Joey per account.
Monthly DVR and receiver fees apply.
Both companies boast JD Power awards for customer satisfaction. You will quickly see from reviews that both companies make mistakes on occasion that can really fire up some customers.
In my experience with both companies, they tend to treat new customers better than existing customers by offering discounts and new equipment. Therefore, I feel no loyalty and generally switch at the end of my two year contract in order to get promotional discounts and the latest equipment technology.
For over a decade, DIRECTV scored higher in customer satisfaction than cable companies measured in the American Customer Satisfaction Index.* More than half of our employees primarily work to deliver the highest level of service to our customers, whether they call, work with one of our installers or manage their accounts online at directv.com. We want our customers to rely on us to meet their needs effectively and professionally.
*Source: Among the largest national cable & satellite TV providers. 2010 American Customer Satisfaction Index.
From their website:
May 18, 2010 - DISH, America's fastest-growing pay-TV provider, is now No. 1 in customer satisfaction among satellite and cable companies, according to the 2010 American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI) survey results for the U.S. largest cable and satellite TV providers. The claim excludes fiber optic carriers.
In this year's survey, DISH scored a 71 for customer satisfaction - a significant seven-point increase from 2009 and well above the 2010 pay-TV industry average of 66. DISH scored three points higher than DIRECTV, four points higher than Cox, 10 points higher than Comcast and Time Warner, and 11 points higher than Charter. Phone companies Verizon and AT&T rated highest in the category with scores of 73 and 72, respectively.
Both DISH & DIRECTV offer the first receiver for free. All equipment is leased.
As you can see below, if you have multiple rooms with HD/DVR receivers, DIRECTV might be a cheaper option.
Each additional receiver is $5 per month.
DIRECTV offers the following:
Supercharge your High-Def TV with DIRECTV's state-of-the-art HD DVR receiver. Your HDTV alone won't give you an HD picture. You need HD service and an HD receiver—DIRECTV'S HD DVR delivers up to 1080p HD resolution, the highest picture quality available, the same as Blu-ray. Plus, enjoy two times more DVR capacity than cable. Plus, with a 3D TV, you can enter the amazing world of HD 3D.
Connect your DIRECTV Plus® HD DVR to the Internet and get access to over 6000 DIRECTV on DEMAND titles and FREE interactive applications.
Enjoy 100% digital television wherever you go with the world's first portable satellite TV. Perfect for camping and tailgate parties.
Each additional tuner is $7 per month. Additional HD/DVR fee is $3 per month.
So, for example, if you choose to get two dual tuner HD/DVRs, the first will be free, the second will be $17 per month ($7 tuner + $7 tuner + $3 HD/DVR fee).
Note also that DISH's dual tuner DVR only offers HD in one room and SD in the other room.
DISH offers the following:
Connect your DISH HD DVR to the Internet and get access to over 6000 titles and FREE interactive applications.
If you don't have an iPhone® or iPod touch®, you can still enjoy all the benefits of DISH Remote Access through the web browser on your PC.
DIRECTV offers local channels to more than 99% of the nation's TV households, with more markets coming soon.
Local channels are free with all packages.
DISH is the only TV provider to offer 100% local channel coverage nationwide!
DISH now offers local channels in 100% of U.S. markets and HD local channels in over 99% of markets.
Call 1-888-884-2741 for additional details. Local channel availability may vary by market.
Generally speaking, if you are a sports nut, DIRECTV is the way to go.
Get your sports fix with over 35 channels, including regional sports networks, international sports, seasonal sports, college sports and more.
NFL SUNDAY TICKET™ is back and more awesome than ever. Of course you still get every game, every Sunday. But now you can experience every game in HD. Plus, you also get the Red Zone Channel, up to 8 games at the same time on the Game Mix Channel, Short Cuts and more. You won't find anything like it with DISH or cable. If you're a football fan, you need NFL SUNDAY TICKET™. And it's available only on DIRECTV.
Only with MLB EXTRA INNINGS® can you follow your home team throughout the season, no matter where you call home. With up to 80 out-of-market games a week, including up to 40 in crystal-clear HD, you'll be there with your team every step of the way from opening day to the pennant race. Can't decide which game to watch? You can tune in to eight baseball games on a single screen. Select any one to enjoy full-screen.
From downtown to your home town, you'll be right there with your favorite team all season long, no matter where you live. With NBA LEAGUE PASS, you'll enjoy up to 40 games per week — that's up to eight games per night.^ Plus, feel like you're courtside with up to 20 of these games a week in HD. Slam dunk.
DIRECTV delivers extended coverage of Grand Slam tournaments and NASCAR races that you can't get anywhere else, all at no extra charge.
Get in the middle of the action with four dedicated driver channels — all in HD.* Only on DIRECTV.
Only DIRECTV gives you an enhanced viewing experience with extended coverage and stats at the press of a button on your remote.
Enjoy coverage you won't see anywhere else of the US Open, Australian Open, French Open and Wimbledon.
See up to 8 popular sports channels at the same time, live on your TV. Select any one to watch full screen.
With ScoreGuide, you'll always know the score of any game. Just press the red button on your remote.
If your game is blacked out, GameSearch™ will tell you if the game is on another channel.
Never miss a game. Set your home DVR with any cell phone or computer.
Find all the sports action you crave with just a few clicks of your remote.
MLS Direct Kick provides up to 160 Major League Soccer regular season games plus select playoff games. Don't miss any of the soccer action!
No matter where you live, you can get the best seats in the house with NHL® Center Ice®. Follow your favorite teams and players all season long, with up to 40 out-of-market games per week. Don't miss your chance to make every game a home game.
Fox Soccer Plus is a premium network that complements Fox Soccer Channel by providing the complete international sports experience. Live, exclusive soccer matches from the best leagues in the world include England's Barclays Premier League, the UEFA Champions League, England's FA Cup, Coca-Cola Championship, Carling Cup and England Men's National Team as well as Italy's Serie A. For the true global sports connoisseur Fox Soccer Plus offers premium rugby from the Magners League, the Guinness Premiership and the Heineken Cup among other competitions.
Get your essential college football with up to 12 games per week from outside your local market. Enjoy match-ups from the ACC, BIG 12, BIG EAST, MAC, PAC-10, SEC, Sun Belt and WAC.
This ultimate college basketball package delivers up to 30 regular season games each week! Watch great match-ups from top conferences in the country, including: ACC, AMERICA EAST, ATLANTIC SUN, BIG 12, BIG EAST, COLONIAL, HORIZON, MAAC, SEC, SOUTHLAND, SUN BELT, WAC.
NBA LEAGUE PASS takes you courtside every week with up to 40 live games from around the league. Follow your favorite team, player or match-up from outside your local viewing area.
Introducing NFL RedZone on channel 155 - the channel that will change your Sundays forever. Subscribe to Multi-Sports and receive NFL RedZone, NBA TV, NHL Network and 29 local sports networks.
Spanish packages that vary from over 100 channels to over 295 channels. Enjoy access to more than 60 Spanish-language channels and more than 235 English-language channels.
MAS LATINO - $22.99 for 12 months, regularly $34.99/month.
OPTIMO MAS - $29.99 for 12 months, regularly $46.99/month.
MAS ULTRA - $39.99 for 12 months, regularly $62.99/month.
LO MAXIMO - $94.99 for 12 months, regularly $119.99/month.
DishLATINO® Básico offers you all of the essential channels that you look for in a Spanish package at an everyday low-price. Receive the best of Univision, uniMÁS, Galavision, Azteca America, Teleformula, as well as all of your local channels.
With more than 180 channels, DishLATINO Clásico is the best Latino programming package in the market! DishLATINO Clásico offers you soccer and sports, novelas, movies, news, music and entertainment for the whole family! With this package you will find exclusive programming and the best value in TV. This package includes your local channels (where available).
DishLATINO® Plus offers you all the same great Spanish programming as DishLATINO® Clasico plus 10 popular channels in English. Enjoy your favorite family programming in HD such as Cartoon Network, TBS, SyFy, and USA.
DishLATINO Dos brings you exceptional Spanish and English programming in one package! DishLATINO Dos brings you more than 220 channels! That's right over 225 channels with the best bilingual programming! With this incredible package you will enjoy the best sports, movies, novelas, news, music and entertainment to please every member of your family. Now DishLATINO Dos also offers you more than 25 HD channels. This package includes your local channels (where available).
DishLATINO Max is a package that includes DishLATINO Clasico and DishLATINO Dos with other exciting channels. This package brings you a total of more than 265 channels! An exceptional package for sports, action and entertainment lovers! Without a doubt the best value for your money. DishLATINO Max also offers you more than 40 HD channels. This package includes your local channels(where available).
International programming available including:
DISH offers packages for the following languages:
Both providers offer various pay-per-view movies and events.
DirecTV (stylized as DIRECTV) is an American direct broadcast satellite service provider and broadcaster based in El Segundo, California. Its satellite service, launched on June 17, 1994, transmits digital satellite television and audio to households in the United States, Latin America and the Caribbean. Its primary competitors are Dish and cable television providers. It was announced on May 18, 2014, that DirecTV may possibly be acquired by AT&T, Inc., in a transaction valued at $48.5 billion that is subject to federal approval.
Dish Network, since re-branded simply as "Dish" as part of a major brand marketing overhaul in 2011 along with a slightly changed logo, is an American direct-broadcast satellite service provider. The company provides satellite television, satellite internet, audio programming, and interactive television services to commercial and residential customers in the United States. As of November 2013, the company provided services to over fourteen million subscribers and has approximately 34,000 employees (with more than 25,000 employees located within the United States). The company is headquartered in Meridian, Colorado, though the postal designation of nearby Englewood is used in the corporate mailing address.
All DIRECTV offers require 24-month agreement.**
Offers end 10/2/13. Credit card required (except in MA & PA). New approved customers only (lease required). Handling & Delivery fee may apply. Applicable use tax adjustment may apply on the retail value of the installation. Programming, pricing and offers are subject to change and may vary in certain markets. Some offers may not be available through all channels and in select areas..
*BILL CREDIT/PROGRAMMING OFFER: IF BY THE END OF PROMOTIONAL PRICE PERIOD(S) CUSTOMER DOES NOT CONTACT DIRECTV TO CHANGE SERVICE THEN ALL SERVICES WILL AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE AT THE THEN-PREVAILING RATES. Free HBO, STARZ, SHOWTIME and Cinemax for three months, a value of $141. LIMIT ONE PROGRAMMING OFFER PER ACCOUNT. Featured package/service names and current prices: ENTERTAINMENT $54.99/mo.; CHOICE $64.99/mo.; XTRA $70.99/mo. ULTIMATE $77.99/mo., PREMIER $124.99/mo. Advanced Receiver fee $25/mo. In certain markets, a $3/mo. Regional Sports fee will be assessed with CHOICE Package or above and MAS ULTRA Package or above. Prices include the following instant bill credits for 12 months: $30 for ENTERTAINMENT Package, $35 for CHOICE Package, $36 for XTRA and $38 for ULTIMATE Package or above. †$10 CREDIT OFFER: To receive the $10 bill credit for 24 months on your Advanced Receiver fee (required for Genie HD DVR or HD DVR lease), customer must, at point of sale: provide a valid email address and activate and maintain the ENTERTAINMENT or ÓPTIMO MÁS Package or above, Auto Bill Pay and Paperless Billing. o2013 NFL SUNDAY TICKET OFFER: Package consists of all out-of-market NFL games (based on customer’s service address) broadcast on FOX and CBS. Games available via remote viewing based on device location. Local broadcasts are subject to blackout rules. Other conditions apply. 2013 NFL SUNDAY TICKET regular full-season retail price is $224.95. 2013 NFL SUNDAY TICKET MAX regular full-season retail price is $299.95. Customers activating the CHOICE Package or above or the MÁS ULTRA Package or above will be automatically enrolled in the 2013 season of NFL SUNDAY TICKET at no additional cost and will receive a free upgrade to NFL SUNDAY TICKET MAX for the 2013 season. NFL SUNDAY TICKET subscription will automatically continue each season at special renewal rate unless customer calls to cancel prior to start of season. To renew to NFL SUNDAY TICKET MAX, customer must call to upgrade after the 2013 season. Subscription cannot be cancelled (in part or in whole) after the start of the season and subscription fee cannot be refunded. Only one game may be accessed remotely at any given time. Online access is only available on certain operating systems. Computer hardware, software, and Internet connection not included. Mobile access only available on certain devices. Additional data charges may apply. Please check with your service provider. Visit directv.com/NFL for a list of system requirements and compatible mobile devices. Short Cuts are available from midnight Sunday ET through midnight Tuesday ET. Account must be in “good standing” as determined by DIRECTV in its sole discretion to remain eligible for all offers.
**24-MONTH AGREEMENT: EARLY CANCELLATION WILL RESULT IN A FEE OF $20/MONTH FOR EACH REMAINING MONTH. Must maintain 24 consecutive months of any DIRECTV base programming package ($29.99/mo. or above) or any qualifying international service bundle. Advanced Receiver-DVR fee ($10/mo.) required for DVR lease. Advanced Receiver-HD fee ($10/mo.) required for HD Receiver lease. Advanced Receiver fee ($25/mo.) required for Genie HD DVR, HD DVR and TiVo HD DVR from DIRECTV lease. TiVo service fee ($5/mo.) required for TiVo HD DVR from DIRECTV lease. If you have 2 Receivers and/or one Receiver and a Genie Mini Client /Enabled TV/Device, the fee is $6/mo. For the 3rd and each additional Receiver and/or Genie Mini Client/Enabled TV/Device on your account, you are charged an additional fee of $6/mo. per Receiver, Genie Mini Client and/or Enabled TV/Device. NON-ACTIVATION CHARGE OF $150 PER RECEIVER MAY APPLY. ALL EQUIPMENT (EXCLUDING GENIEGO DEVICE) IS LEASED AND MUST BE RETURNED TO DIRECTV UPON CANCELLATION, OR UNRETURNED EQUIPMENT FEES APPLY. VISIT directv.com/legal OR CALL 1-800-DIRECTV FOR DETAILS. ^GENIE HD DVR UPGRADE OFFER: Includes instant rebates on one Genie HD DVR and up to 3 Genie Minis with activation of the ENTERTAINMENT Package or above; ÓPTIMO MÁS Package or above; or any qualifying international service bundle, which shall include the PREFERRED CHOICE programming package. Free upgrade offer requires a Genie HD DVR and at least one Genie Mini. $99 fee applies for single-room set-up. Whole-Home HD DVR functionality requires a Genie HD DVR connected to the primary television and a Genie Mini, H25 HD Receiver(s) or an RVU-capable TV/Device in each additional room. Limit of three remote viewings per Genie HD DVR at a time. Visit directv.com/genie for complete details. ^^$99 GENIEGO OFFER: New customers activating a Genie HD DVR will receive a $50 instant rebate on a GenieGO device (retail price $149). GenieGO requires activation of Mobile DVR service, broadband connection and must be connected to the home-based HD DVR, each available separately. Available programming based on HD DVR playlist. GenieGO works with certain mobile devices from certain providers; sold separately. Additional data charges may apply. Other restrictions apply. Visit directv.com/GenieGO for a list of compatible devices and more information. INSTALLATION: Standard professional installation in up to four rooms only. Custom installation extra.
DIRECTV ON DEMAND: Access to available DIRECTV On Demand programming is based on package selection. Actual number of titles will vary. Additional fees apply for new releases. Some DIRECTV On Demand content requires an HD DVR (HR20 or later) or DVR (R22 or later), DIRECTV CINEMA Connection Kit and broadband Internet service with speeds of 750 kbps or higher and a network router with an available Ethernet port are required. Visit directv.com/cinema for details.
To access DIRECTV HD programming, HD equipment required. Number of HD channels based on package selection. Eligibility for Local channels based on service address. Not all networks available in all markets. Programming, pricing, terms and conditions subject to change at any time. Pricing residential. Taxes not included. Receipt of DIRECTV programming subject to DIRECTV Customer Agreement; copy provided at directv.com/legal and in order confirmation. NFL, the NFL Shield design and the NFL SUNDAY TICKET name and logo are registered trademarks of the NFL and its affiliates. NFL team names and uniform designs are registered trademarks of the teams indicated. ©2013 DIRECTV. DIRECTV and the Cyclone Design logo, CHOICE, GENIE and GENIEGO are trademarks of DIRECTV, LLC. All other trademarks and service marks are the property of their respective owners.
Offers valid through 6/10/15 and require activation of new qualifying DISH service with 24-month commitment and credit qualification. An Early Termination fee of $20 for each month remaining will apply if service is terminated during the first 24 months. All prices, fees, charges, packages, programming, features, functionality and offers subject to change without notice.
Requires qualifying programming. Receive a discount for each of the first 12 months as follows: $35 per month with America’s Top 250; $30 per month with America’s Top 200; $25 per month with America’s Top 120, America’s Top 120 Plus; $15 per month with Smart Pack; $25 per month with DishLATINO Dos, DishLATINO Max; $20 per month with DishLATINO Plus; $15 per month with DishLATINO Clásico; $5 per month with DishLATINO Basico. After 12-month promotional period, then-current monthly price applies and is subject to change. You will forfeit discount in the case of a downgrade from qualifying programming or service disconnection during first 12 months.
Requires qualifying programming and continuous enrollment in AutoPay with Paperless Billing. Additional $10/mo. HD fee is waived for life of current account. Offer is limited to channels associated with selected programming package. Qualifying programming packages are America’s Top 120 and above, DishLATINO Plus and above. You may forfeit free HD in the case of service disconnection.
Receive Showtime, Starz, Blockbuster @Home and Encore free for the first 3 months. You must maintain all four movie services during the promotional period. Offer value $132. After 3 months, then-current prices will apply unless you elect to downgrade.
Receive the Protection Plan free for the first 6 months. Offer value $48. After 6 months, then-current price will apply unless you elect to downgrade. Change of Service fee will apply if you cancel the Protection Plan during the first 6 months.
EQUIPMENT: All equipment remains the property of DISH at all times and must be returned to DISH within thirty days of account deactivation or you will be charged an unreturned equipment fee ranging from $100 to $400 per receiver. Lease Upgrade fees are not deposits and are non-refundable. Maximum of 6 leased receivers (supporting up to 6 total TVs) per account. You will be charged a monthly equipment rental fee for each receiver beyond the first, based on model of receiver. WHOLE-HOME HD DVR: Monthly fees: Hopper, $12; Joey, $7, Super Joey, $10; second Hopper, $12. First Hopper HD DVR receiver and up to 3 Joey receivers available for a one-time $199 Upgrade fee. $199 Upgrade fee waived at time of service activation with subscription to America’s Top 120 and above or DishLATINO Plus and above. A second Hopper HD DVR receiver is available for a one-time Upgrade fee: $49 for a Hopper, $99 for a Hopper with Sling. With a second Hopper HD DVR receiver, one additional Joey receiver is available for a one-time $99 Upgrade fee. Hopper and Joey receivers cannot be combined with any other receiver models or types. PrimeTime Anytime and AutoHop features must be enabled by customer and are subject to availability. With PrimeTime Anytime record ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC plus two channels. With addition of Super Joey record two additional channels. AutoHop feature is available at varying times, starting the day after airing, for select primetime shows on ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC recorded with PrimeTime Anytime. Recording capacity varies; 2000 hours based on SD programming. Equipment comparison based on equipment available from major TV providers as of 12/01/14. Watching live and recorded TV anywhere requires an Internet-connected, Sling-enabled DVR and compatible mobile device. On Demand availability varies based on your programming subscription. Requires Android OS 4.0 or higher to watch on an Android device and iOS 7.0 or higher to watch on iPhone or iPad. Select DVR recordings cannot be transferred. ALL OTHER RECEIVER MODELS: Lease Upgrade fee(s) may apply for select receivers, based on model and number of receivers. Monthly DVR and receiver fees may apply.
Digital Home Advantage offer is available from DISH and participating retailers for new and qualified former DISH residential customers in the continental United States. You must provide your Social Security Number and a valid major credit card. Participating retailers may require additional terms and conditions. The first month of DISH service must be paid at time of activation. Number of channels may decline. Local and state sales taxes and state reimbursement charges may apply. Where applicable, monthly equipment rental fees and programming are taxed separately. Standard Professional Installation includes typical installation of one single-dish antenna configuration, typical hook-up of an eligible receiver configuration and equipment testing. More complex installations may require additional fees; other installation restrictions apply. Prices valid at time of activation only; additional fees will apply to upgrade after installation. Any unreturned equipment fees will automatically be charged to your DISH account or credit or debit card provided to DISH. DISH shall determine eligibility for this offer in its sole and absolute discretion. Programming and other services provided are subject to the terms and conditions of the Digital Home Advantage Customer Agreement and Residential Customer Agreement, available at www.dish.com or upon request. Blackout and other restrictions apply to sports programming. All service marks and trademarks belong to their respective owners. ©2015 DISH Network L.L.C. All rights reserved.
SHOWTIME and related marks are registered trademarks of Showtime Networks Inc., a CBS Company. STARZ and related channels and service marks are property of Starz Entertainment, LLC. ESPN GamePlan, NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, ESPN Full Court and MLS Direct Kick automatically continue at a special renewal rate each year provided DISH carries this service, unless you call to cancel prior to the start of the season. ESPN GamePlan, NHL Center Ice, NBA League Pass, ESPN Full Court and MLS Direct Kick are nonrefundable, nonproratable and nontransferable once the season begins. NHL, the NHL Shield and Center Ice name and logo are registered trademarks and The Game Lives Where You Do is a trademark of the National Hockey League. NHL and NHL team marks are the property of the NHL and its teams. © NHL 2015. All Rights Reserved. NBA, the NBA logo and team identifications are the exclusive property of NBA Properties, Inc. © 2015. All rights reserved. © 2015 NFL Enterprises LLC. NFL and the NFL Shield design are registered trademarks of the National Football League. MLS Direct Kick is a trademark of MLS. Sling is a registered trademark of Sling Media, Inc.
Activation fee of up to $299 may apply. $10/mo. equipment lease fee applies. An Early Termination fee of $20 for each month remaining will apply if service is terminated during the first 24 months. Equipment must be returned upon cancellation of service, otherwise unreturned equipment fees apply. Speeds and data allowances vary based on geographic location and plan selected. All plans subject to availability. Service is not available in Puerto Rico, and is limited in areas of Alaska. In some areas, dishNET is only available through DISH Authorized Retailers. Local and state sales taxes and state reimbursement charges may apply. Use of dishNET high-speed Internet service is subject to Fair Access Policies, Acceptable Use Policies and Network Management Policies.
i-Dish is an authorized independent contractor retailer of DISH L.L.C. DISH, DISH and DISH logos are registered trademarks and/or service marks of DISH L.L.C. and/or its affiliate(s). The DISH trademarks and/or service marks are used by authority of DISH L.L.C. and/or its applicable affiliate(s).
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